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Journal Entry: Sun Jan 27, 2013, 11:19 AM
Happens a lot nowadays doesn't it?
People randomly saving pictures of other's anime illustrations , then posting it at their own wall without bothering to credit the original artist.
Or some are even as low as to claim it as their own.

But anyway , I don't know why , but I'm feeling pretty pissed even though I suppose it might seemed like just a trivial issue.
So here's the thing -__-

Previously my younger imouto came to me asking me to help her draw a girl for her school something project.
So I did it anyway , was in a hurry but well , it's my imouto , so why not. I'd probably charge others if they ask me to do something like even a simple doodle when I'm busy anyway.

And what happened next was , when I asked her how did it go the next day , she said , "Oh , I gave it to my friend , she likes it and she wants it"
I was like "huh why?" (though technically speaking I'm burning inside)

She said, " Uhm , well you drew it at the wrong side of the paper , so it can't be used , my friend wants it so I gave it to her"

So next thing was , I went about stating about these copyrights issue and how the heck can she just randomly give away something like that.
But knowing youngsters , I bet she has no idea of how I'm very particular when it comes to my own works copyrights. As do many of the artist here , I'm sure of it.

I soon let that go. But then just a few moments ago , I saw her friend posted that image on her facebook.
It doesn't states who drew it or anything at all. What made me even more pissed is the comments and likes.


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In the comment :
1st comment : Who drew this? Don't lie to me for I can surely say it's not by you.
2nd (my imouto's friend) : You think one's skill won't improved? It's not like I only know how to draw guys.

I talked to my sister about it , she said "nah , my friend's joking" , Fine , joke or not , I'm not liking this at all.
And what's with the 27 likes?

Christ sake , when I post anything at my profile , only around 6-10++ likes (usual  count)
Damn am I not dealing with this well -___-

Gomen if I sound like a dumb kid who just had my precious toy being snatched away from me. But somehow , I'm pretty mad at the moment.

Guess I better just peace out for now before I decide to rant on more about this crap.

***Update : Link of another website where she posted. Instagram : instagram.com/p/USvDJvEjj1/?fb…



Feel free to copy paste and let google translate do it's work for those who can't understand chinese =/

Sorry to put the link up BIG and BOLD  , for the more I see how even my rushed crappy doodle is getting all the good comments and likes whereas this uploader isn't even trying to say that it does not belongs to her , the more I'm burning up here.

I see her saying "thank you" , so where's the "but actually it isn't drawn by me" part?

Uwah ! Ima watashi wa chooo okotte imasu!!

Though previously I'm just a bit angry of my sister for just giving away something I actually find time to draw for her.

Now's definitely more than that. It might be just a crappy doodle , but apparently I'm very upset that the so called friend she gave my work to isn't a very honest one!



****Update II****



Many thanks to all your comments and concerns , my anger is pretty much almost gone by now o_O
I must say I'm quite a lucky person here to have such supportive friends/watchers (whichever you prefer to go with) like you guys.
Anyhow , thanks for those who helped me commented on her Isntagram.
Seeing that she finally said the art wasn't done by her is sort of a relief for me.
So don't get too worked up over this issue now =] At some point I think some of you actually felt angrier than me. But chill now , as long as she states that the art isn't done by her , I'm fine enough with that. Credit me or not , it's up to her already. I have more important matters to worry about --> have to attend to my assignments now (top priority at the moment) Finishing my human anatomy sculpt in zbrush , if I happened to have a little time left after that , might post some new simple sketch works.

Don't expect anything too great from me , I only have so little time to spend with my own manga style illustrations nowadays.
Thanks for your patience ;___;

Arigato again to those who commented =]

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sacredanalects Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
ohh, thats annoying!
I gave out drawings to my friends too, sometimes the authentic one, sometimes the copy...
One thing they have in common is my autograph...
I too, can't stand it if others claim my work like that...
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Sinister-Sweet Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2013   General Artist
I still think she should link to you or delete the pic from her instagram. It's not fair.
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Yokoshiro Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2013   Digital Artist
Well , I'm fine as long as she states so in her description that she does not own the picture. But then again , it's not like she had done that either till to date. -__-

Whatever the case is , I just better add her to my blacklist.
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tekitomadachi Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'm glad to hear that this was resolved. Gomen nasai that you had to go through all this though, but I do hope that you do well in your studies and future drawings when you have the chance to post them! :D
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Yokoshiro Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2013   Digital Artist
Yup , maybe I might get to put on a slight surprise here in time. Need to strengthen my anatomy first.
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CPM-1993 Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That s wrong. On so many levels. I know when I do fan made work I try to put in there not mine or oc of this/that. People are just stupid and vendicktive and just cruel.
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Yokoshiro Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2013   Digital Artist
Yeah , but it's ok , I just found out that the picture has been removed =]
And at least when I saw someone asking her if she drew it , she did said "No" , so I'm not so mad to the extent that I wish to kill someone haha ~ *jk*
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CPM-1993 Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:)
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NokyoOkami Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013
glad to here that the issue has gotten resolved some for you and puts your mind at ease now to focus on your studies

also will you be posting pics of your zbrush model? cause it sounds cool and i would love to see it :iconrikkavplz:
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Yokoshiro Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2013   Digital Artist
So far I've only done the usual muscle sculpt , it definitely does not looks bishie or anything like that haha (You'll have to wait longer to see the character one), it's an assignment for us to study the human muscle forms in details , though if you still want to see it , I'll just post it up in my Journal =] I won't be posting unfinished works in my deviant gallery =>
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NokyoOkami Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013
oh yeah i understand and did not mean right away i was more meaning once you are done!

i am into 3d Sculpting as well, of course not even close to the same level as you probably but I would like to get the chance to see your work it would be cool:iconrikkavplz:
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Yokoshiro Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013   Digital Artist
Yeah I know , it's ok =]

Maybe you should upload some of your 3D sculpt too? I'm still a beginner here , I was only introduced to Zbrush like 2 weeks ago =x

I'm currently testing on a random face sculpt , will see if it turns out good enough to be showcase here in deviantart ;___;
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NokyoOkami Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013
hehe ok I will try to upload something sometime, but i am not that good at 3d art yet hehe:iconrikkavplz:
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Yokoshiro Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013   Digital Artist
Haha wakatta =]
I've just finished testing my work combining Zbrush and Paint Tool Sai ;w;
Maybe I'll just put it up here later , and then... delete it approx 24 hours later ;___; Seems like a failed attempt to me ~
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NokyoOkami Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2013
ok hehe Lookng forward to seeing it :iconsmile-luplz:
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Yokoshiro Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2013   Digital Artist
Ahh , uploaded x_X Now I'll just go RIP.
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ShopKey Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I've only posted without credit once, because I was an idiot and thought I had posted it *is very forgetful*, but once it was brought to my attention I quickly gave full credit on it.
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Yokoshiro Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2013   Digital Artist
At least you didn't do it intentionally =] That's fine =]
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ShopKey Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
:) still felt really bad
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SweetieStarlight Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013  Professional General Artist
That's pretty frustrating. I had my sister trace something I drew for her. After I had a talk with her about that, she went on to draw her own stuff. *whew!*
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Yokoshiro Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2013   Digital Artist
Lol , lucky you there =] your sister sounds pretty easy going. =]
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SweetieStarlight Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Professional General Artist
Lol she is a little bit too easy-going, but at least she does her own stuff. She now does more abstract and designs, which I fail at XD
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Yokoshiro Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2013   Digital Artist
I'm not really good with graphics and design either x_X
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SweetieStarlight Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2013  Professional General Artist
But your artwork is really good.
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Yokoshiro Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2013   Digital Artist
Those are more like sketch style work / illustrations though , I'm never really into graphic designs afterall x_X
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SweetieStarlight Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2013  Professional General Artist
But what you do is your strength. I feel that no artist is really a master of all areas. While it's fun to try different media and styles, some just aren't made for others. :) Sorry if that didn't make sense.
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Yokoshiro Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2013   Digital Artist
Yeah I know what you're trying to say =]
That's what makes each artist having their own unique point =x
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Katt-Kitt Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013  Student Digital Artist
yep that's happened to me recently

one of my "friends" at college drew one of my characters without asking ~ i not it's not a big deal but still it's my character ~ and she put it up on here and hasn't credited at all... so i sort of know what how you feel about crediting and such
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Yokoshiro Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2013   Digital Artist
Yeah, I had that once in high school , she was trying to draw exactly the character that I just drew , she didn't posted it online or what so ever , but I do get the slight annoyed feeling when you see someone just trying to copy your style right in front of you too .
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Katt-Kitt Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Student Digital Artist
i hate it when that happens it's ok if they are learning or something because in time they will develop their own style but still...
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Yuki1503 Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013  Student General Artist
wow......,
even though this has never happened to me, (cause my art isn't as good as your art)
I can still understand very well that you're pissed of about it

I hope it won't happen again :D
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Yokoshiro Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2013   Digital Artist
Haha , well thanks =x Mine isn't too good either , still got a lot of anatomy work to fix on. But , arigato ne =]
And yup I just found out a while ago that the picture has already been taken down =]
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Yuki1503 Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2013  Student General Artist
no problem,
I'm glad to hear that :hug:
and I hope it is not going to happen again :pray: :D
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MizuuHime Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Huh, that is pretty more like youngsters these days. They are just too young.... To understand what the meaning of appreciating of other people art. And, maybe the lack of knowledge to understand that the internet isn't just about uploading picture that you likes but also crediting the owner if it is necessary.

Maybe you can take a just deep breathe? At least, it is not your imouto that did it to you. Well, since before I have the same thing happen, and the one who did it..... is my little sister -_- Well, she don't uploading the artwork, but she is taking my real drawing into her possession without even asking, which made me angry.

Uhm, well, try to talk with your imouto, your real feeling. Say that you don't like her to give the art that you personally give to her to the other people. Maybe it is okay for her.... But it hurts your feeling. And say it clearly, that even if she got permission to give the art to the other people, say that you don't like the uploader to say that the art is theirs, and not appreciating you as the original artist.
It is better for her to know your real feeling and she can tell her friends directly, than you make a problem with her friends, and maybe created again a little problem, like your imouto hated by her friends, and / or she just hated you because you created a problem that, maybe for youngsters like them, don't even feel guilty that what they done are wrong.
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Yokoshiro Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013   Digital Artist
Yeah true. Many just like saving pretty arts but not bothering to at least find out who did the art.

Hmm I'd suggest you get a drawer with a lock. Just keep your masterpieces in there so no one can take it from you. =] Yeah but my imouto's the one who passed my drawing away to someone else. So she's sort of involved in a way. But then again , I guess this is what sisters are for huh , to make your blood boil from time to time -__-

Nah , I'm not the sort that likes to talk out my feelings. Grew up this way , not much heart to heart talk in my family here. That's why I tend to prefer to just draw things out. That's my only way to express my inner thoughts =]

It's ok , I did take that into my consideration. That's why my friendly warning comment didn't contained any harsh words or swearing. Plus someone has already done me a favor by asking her to credit the artist in her Isntagram. So now I'm just waiting for her to rewrite a proper description then I'll be willing to let this drop =]
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MizuuHime Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, saving right into your computer isn't a crime, it is uploading without crediting and permission which is a criminal. lol.

Hahaha, well, I pretty sure even if I locked it she will find it eventually.... And try to steal some. Duh. hahaha, yeah. Well, love and hate relationship? Sometimes they are nice enough, but sometimes they can make us angry. Really.

Hahaha, well! Yeah, me too. I am the introvert type, anyway, so I just talk as much as I liked they really need to know.... If they don't need to know, well, it is all in my brain and my heart. XD

Hahaha, well, if you say so! :) I hope you good luck with the case, I know this is not a good things for you to have your draw 'stolen' by your imouto's friends ^^;
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Yokoshiro Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013   Digital Artist
Yeah I know a lot of crap like these happens often. And I'm getting tired of it. It's like a never ending tug of war between the fakes and reals.

She may know the drawer , as long as you hide the key well , there's nothing she can do about it =]
Good place to hide something small (taught by a friend of mine long ago) , try sticking it under your desk , not many people would normally looked into that sort of place, trust me =]

Aha , hear hear , I'm sure most artist are like that , cause I do realize normal people do regard us artist as weirdos anyway , due to our way of imagining things which is entirely different from theirs.

Yup thanks for the luck =]
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MizuuHime Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Hahaha, well, yeah! They just seem like want attention.... But that, actually, is also fake attention, since it is not their art after all.

Hmm, yeah, you are right! Maybe I will try that :) Thanks!

Hahaha, well, I don't think like that. Maybe just artist don't like to talk, they lets the ART talk, and not their mouth lol. Or maybe just because I am tired hearing my family babbling over nothing, that makes me think if I talking, I will end up like them. lol.
Ah, but sure, artist have different world than others, as they have pretty wild imagination and all.

Your welcome :)
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Yokoshiro Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013   Digital Artist
Yeah no idea what these impersonators are usually thinking >.>

Yup no prob , want anymore ideas I'm always free to provide some as I'm pretty much good at hiding my stuffs too haha =]

Yeah I understand , I do get fed up of trying to explain art stuffs to my mom somethings. It usually just ends by me saying , " ah , nevermind already *gets back to working on my stuffs*"
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MizuuHime Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Maybe because they think that the art is good, and by showcasing the art, they will get attention. Or maybe they just want to make a problem? lol. I see some art thieves that even if the people already blaming them, they just defend themselves and say like it is nothing to do with them.

Hahaha, well! Then you are my senpais at hiding stuffs lol //slap//

Hahaha, well! Yes, my parents is just like that too, before. Especially when I choose to go to an design college, my mom just said that design is nothing that will make money.... later. She even insist me to take economy or accountant major and just drawing in my free time or take drawing courses outside. But, of course I don't listen to her. Well.... It is my life, and I need to make myself comfortable, not by doing what people want me to do, that will ended up on making me frustated, especially things that will change most of my life.
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Yokoshiro Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2013   Digital Artist
Some are just mere trolls. Everytime someone comments something like " This isn't your work , please take it off" , then the only reply they'd get from the art thief would be something silly like " No! My art!" -__- I've seen this before in Deviantart , just hard to believe how silly people can be really.

Yeah , I don't think my mom really thinks too highly of any of my illustrations too. Even when I won the first place for one of the small competition of manga drawings , she soon went back to saying stuffs like drawing all day = wasting time. I'm like , wow , seriously mom?
But I've managed to earn a bit money with 2 commissions at my previous sem break , hopefully she'd changed her mind about illustrations -_-

For me personally , I too prefer to work with things I enjoy. Sure I may be poor compared to the ones that holds occupation such as lawyers and doctors , but well , at least I'm enjoying what I'm working with =x
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TheenyThoos Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I would rage so hard! I'm not even as good as you >.<

I make art for presents on a regular basis and if I found someone claiming it as their own I think I would prolly rage till the end of the world!

It's so obvious that shes trying to pass it off as her own stuff too with all those hash tags! Man if I got a doodle from you it'd be posted straight on mah fb with a very excited 'omgomg look what shiro arted for me *dies*'
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Yokoshiro Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013   Digital Artist
Haha , I feel that your rage meter is even more higher than mine o_O But well , I appreciate your concerns =]

Haha that's a funny tag you thought up of there =] I see someone has helped me asking her to credit the artist in her Isntagram as I just re-checked that site a while ago. Now I just hope she'll do the right thing and then I'll be willing to let this off.
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Erica-Roy Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013
It makes my blood boil seeing art theft. I don't see why people just can't understand that not crediting taking the credit for themselves is just wrong!

If you save an image from the internet and upload it somewhere else <bold>without the artists name</bold> because you just couldn't be bothered; I suggest <bold>get bothered and DO IT!</bold>

<bold>DO NOT CREDIT YOURSELF AS THE ARTIST!</bold>
<bold>DO NOT SIMPLY UPLOAD IT WITHOUT THE ORIGINAL ARTIST'S NAME!</bold>
DO NOT STEAL OTHERS ARTWORK!

If people think that the original artist is ranting on about copyright and stuff involving their art; it's because its their stuff and they - NOT the person who uploaded it! is the one who gets to decide what to do with it, its for a good reason and they are probably annoyed at this.

If she still hasn't credited you, I'd say it's about time that you released the demon inside. It's been 2-3 weeks and she's already been told. I hope (I really hope) that she realises that she's done something wrong.

I hope that nothing like this happens to you again.
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Yokoshiro Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013   Digital Artist
Yes U hate seeing art thieves having things their way.
Although I'm not entirely sure if I can say she's an art thief here , just that it would had been much better if she states it clearly in the description that this work does not belongs to her.

Maybe she might be joking in her comment afterall , but to other people who doesn't knows the story of how did this work came to her hand , they might get the wrong idea that she's actually the artist for the way she replies to the compliments with just "Thank you" and not even trying to state that "it isn't drawn by me" after that. That's the only part that is bothering me. Afterall , this is just like a little present/help for my sister assignment , it wasn't within my expectation that my work would end up in her friend's hand.

Nah , I'll give her some time , yes she uploaded it 2 weeks ago , but I just spotted it last night as I went to my sister's profile to message her. Yeah , I do hope she'll learn a thing or two about the importance of copyrights this time.

Arigato for your concerns though =] Plus I think it's best you don't go to facebook as these kind of random posting without crediting artists happens a lot in facebook's group anime fan page. You'll probably feel very angry seeing how spoiled most of these group admins are. Thanks once again , and it probably won't happen again as I decided that I won't be doing anymore FOC assignments for anyone henceforth.
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Erica-Roy Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013
It's a good thing that I don't have facebook. Some people just gape at me and ask me "How can you possibly live without it. I'm actually proud that I don't have an account on it. I've seen so many people get angry over the things others have posted on it. And if I actually do get an account on there and post art, I'll definitely credit the original artist.

I worry a lot about copyrighted artwork, even at school. Sometimes my friends will show my art to others and I tag along with them to make sure that they credit me (is that bad?), or if people look through my sketch book and see drawings from my other siblings I always point and tell them which ones weren't by me and say which ones were by my siblings.

Her friend may be a bit too young to know about copyright, but she should really say that its yours and not just say "thank you" without it. I did it even when I didn't know about copyright. I just thought that was respectful and the right thing to do.

Thank you for appreciating my concerns and I hope that this situation gets under control quickly.
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Yokoshiro Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2013   Digital Artist
Lucky you , I wanted to delete my facebook before , but then there's all these college groups where they keep us up to date about our class / assignments / any last minute announcement , so well , I have no choice but to stick around =/

That's okay , at least I can see you want your copyrights to be respected and you too are respecting other's copyrights. =]

Yeah same here , I still haven't really gotten a reply from her yet , but I guess I do have other stuffs to focus rather than fretting over an immature action of a 16 year old. (but I'm still hoping she'll at least state that the drawing does not belongs to her , she doesn't even needs to credit me)
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LhuvIk Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013   Digital Artist
Too bad, many people think because it is posted on the internet any kind of artwork piece instantly becomes of the public domain.

It is also the double edge of being popular. You must be feeling very annoyed :(.
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Yokoshiro Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013   Digital Artist
Yeah kind of true. Lots of groups with immature admins that does stuffs like that in facebook.

Aha I'm not that popular , it's just that my younger sister happened to just give away something I did for her , to a clueless friend who uploaded my work has no idea of how to properly credit / write a description that states that she isn't the artist of that work.
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LhuvIk Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013   Digital Artist
Yeah, I was speaking in general terms.

What happens with your sis' friend is just an act of childish :(. Too bad anyway.
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